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Post by cgoingundergroundl on Mar 7, 2007 0:49:01 GMT -5
I know I am new here, but I have been luistening to Stavesacre for almost ten years. I think the first song I heard of theirs was "An Eclipsing.", and although I can't really explain the feeling the song was talking about, I felt like I could identify with it. In a world were you had to say Jesus on our album ito prove you was christian, Stavesacre to made, and a few Psalms showed that that you don' hae to say God every third word to love im. Still it even means more to me Stavesacre, and a lot of other Toothand nail bands is what my freinds listened to. this era for me has been over for a wile, but this is the peroid at the end .
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Post by tragicmishap on Mar 9, 2007 19:58:55 GMT -5
I haven't been on here in awhile. Just checked back for the first time in months. I nearly cried. Not quite, but almost . You guys were a big part of the last probably 8 years of my life. I sort of felt you were breaking up awhile ago but I didn't want to believe it. Anyway, I will get to one of those last shows come hell or high water. Never saw a concert with Jeff in the band so that will be sweet. You guys are great. I hope there is lots of music and art still in your futures. BTW Dirk, I listen to that never released Emergency/Enemy Ship album with Jason Martin all the time. I love it.
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Post by ryanro on Mar 18, 2007 4:18:31 GMT -5
I wrote a brief retrospective on the band at my blog. It's fairly personal and "incomplete" in the sense that it's not a history lesson, nor do I own Friction (or collective, which I realize I neglected to mention). But it's a thank you to a great band. *raises glass* connexionsmusic.com/?p=34
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Post by interzone on Mar 18, 2007 15:44:06 GMT -5
I wrote a brief retrospective on the band at my blog. It's fairly personal and "incomplete" in the sense that it's not a history lesson, nor do I own Friction (or collective, which I realize I neglected to mention). But it's a thank you to a great band. *raises glass* connexionsmusic.com/?p=34I know ryanro is a new member of this board, and we also may never hear from him again, but what he said about Stavesacre at his retrospective was cool. I encourage others to go check it out and maybe respond.
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Post by cjc on Mar 18, 2007 18:38:38 GMT -5
"My love for Stavesacre is a more quiet, subtle, even mature thing. And I do indeed love this band and wish the best for the men who wrote such music. Such music! One more for the road. I miss Stavesacre. It is a bittersweet parting, yet full of hope. At last, all that is left to say is this:Thank you."
I love this last paragraph. Thank you, ryanro, for shareing your tribute to the band with up.
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Post by depressoboy on Mar 23, 2007 16:04:13 GMT -5
Well, this is a bummer.
Gentlemen,
Thank you for the excellent music.
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Post by rodfoster on Mar 23, 2007 23:38:30 GMT -5
Sad. I mean, at some point you have to move on , but it's just a shame that things ended this way. I'm as big a fan as any, for as long as any, although I won't cry or change any aspect of my life based on this news. At least with today's technology, a band breaking up doesn't make the music they made disappear. So those CDs still play, the tapes I ripped to mp3 still crackle, and even the website still works, for now. This is my take, it may be completely wrong. Perhaps it's simple denial that I can't accept the fact that this band didn't make it based on their music. I have to put the blame on the business side of things and how the things that have made Stavesacre's music so cool and so true are the very things that kept them from succeeding.
Given the increasing success of some of the T&N bands and the exposure of say, a Switchfoot, I'm thinking that ditching the religious label is what actually killed this band. I mean, bands and guys that love music don't quit because they stop loving it or that they run out of creativity or something. They quit (unless their last name is Martin) because it's not worth their time to make an album that loses money or makes them like $100 each. They won't tour to support an album if it means playing in front of 100 people a night (all of whom want to show off their 1997 tour shirts before they drive home in their minivans).
None of this is to say that they shouldn't have followed their own convictions about the hypocrisy of the church trying to make itself cool. I've also become more than disillusioned with that scene, and I have deep respect for Mark for calling BS on that whole deal and breaking out of it. But a band like The Juliana Theory never had anything to do with churchy crap but still did well on T&N. I know it's a pigeon-holed label that used to have very limited distribution, but they have produced some incredible music over the years that is being increasingly recognized. I like Anberlin a lot, and I think their music is great, but their affiliation with T&N has not held them back at all. They just played a network late-night show, have all kinds of merch tie-ins, and are bumping up to bigger venues around the country. It's great for them, and they deserve it, but I think the promotion they are getting could've belonged to someone else.
One of my favorite bands, FSF, was in line to be T&N's star. A bratty vocalist led to them bailing on the label's first big tour (undoubtedly costing the label a bunch of coin). A bunch of older, not super sexy guys, they made great music and could've had the label's full backing. That debacle was basically the end. They could make more great music, they just weren't going to get support, and they were too old to go someplace else for a fresh start. I'm not saying that Stavesacre would've ever been the label's flagship (mostly because their sound is not pre-teen trendy), but they are more visually appealing as a band than either Anberlin or FSF and the music is certainly just as good, if not better, as well. I think Stavesacre would've had decent support and could've made/sold probably 10 times as many albums as they did over the last two LPs. But hey, if it would weigh on their consciences to be doing something that they didn't believe in, then I still support them wholeheartedly.
Best of luck to the guys. I'm sure they already have plenty of other stuff to take up their time. Hopefully some kind of music that we can hear is part of those plans. Good luck with the final project and thanks for the great life soundtrack. Go out with a bang, not this wimper.
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Post by queenofsheba on Mar 25, 2007 19:18:29 GMT -5
"This is melodic hardcore at it’s poignant, honest, powerful finest."
Well said ryanro. Stavesacre is my definition of hardcore. They are the reason I got into hardcore in the first place. ryanro's blog is a fine tribute to the band. I can point to quite a few moments in my life when lyrically, stavesacre has defined the struggles in my heart and life.
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Post by ryanro on Mar 26, 2007 18:34:46 GMT -5
It's an interesting point made above. Tooth & Nail at this juncture is, for all intents and purposes, a very successful indie label. Their music is not relegated to christian bookstores. They've done lots of promotional deals with BestBuy and Tower Records. That said a lot of their stuff and a lot of their bands have christian members and play christian shows as well.
But you get Project 86 who did a similar thing to Stavesacre (trying to leave behind the xtian music industry altogether) and then ending up back on T&N a few years later, because in Schwab's words, "T&N is one of the best labels out there right now." Project still does not play "church gigs." They do christian festivals and such, but they won't play in churches.
It's tough. Respect to Stavesacre for holding true to their beliefs. It's unfortunate that Nitro Records did not distribute, market or promote the cd in any effective way. How much of Stavesacre's fan base really knew when the disc come out?
I'm just thinking, don't take any of this as gospel. I don't know the band's situation or what it's like to be on T&N these days. Just speculation.
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Post by rodfoster on Mar 29, 2007 0:20:48 GMT -5
I just got back from an Anberlin show where they were headlining a 4-band gig that just played to probably 2,000+ in St. Pete, FL. I like this band a lot, but frankly their live show was junk. Main vox was was too low because I don't think that guy can sing live. After seeing both Switchfoot and Dashboard in similar venues within the last few months, as well as seeing Stavesacre back in June in what was basically a 200-person nightclub show, I am even more convinced that had they stayed with the label that they would've either been before FSF or between FSF and Anberlin as T&N's main squeeze.
Again, much respect to the guys for doing what they felt they had to do, but I feel that Stavesacre quit because they ended up self-supported and not financially viable. That shoudn't be any of our business, but in an entirely selfish way, that decision has left all of us with a smaller library of Stavesacre music to listen to. As basically the last bastion of the mid-90s groups that launched T&N to what it is today, it is sad that we really only got 4 records out of this band in over 11 years of "Waiting".
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Post by autobodycad on Mar 29, 2007 9:02:40 GMT -5
If that's the show that includes Jonzetta, Bayside and Meg & Dia, there's a review of it over at JesusFreakHideout: jesusfreakhideout.com/concerts/AnberlinSpringTour07.aspthe other bands were given a pretty bad rap, except Jonezetta, which was rated okay at best. The others were either jerky or lame. You'd think a headline band like Anberlin is becoming could pick their own tour mates AND choose wisely. I kind've like Anberlin, too (just bought Cities last week), when I'm in the mood for good melodies and stuff I can hum along with in the car. And I'm not surprised the singer in Anberlin can't be heard too well live. He's got a lightweight, poppy voice. And who's FSF? I've followed Tooth & Nail (and SolidState, etc)since Wish for Eden and Focused, but can't say I've bought or noticed every band on the label. (I even had a sparkle T&N sticker on my first car - an '87 Escort.)
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Post by theBrokenCarnage on Mar 29, 2007 20:55:34 GMT -5
That would be Further Seems Forever.
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Post by ryanro on Mar 30, 2007 11:50:42 GMT -5
Heh. Not to get off-topic entirely, but FSF is partially responsible for bankrupting some great people up in Edmonton, the 780 Music & Arts Society. Back last spring they booked FSF for two Canadian gigs on their farewell tour, one in Calgary and one in Edmonton.
Anyways... FSF didn't make it out of customs. And while the band blamed some "control freak border guard" type person, the story I've heard is basically that FSF lied about their purpose getting into Canada and got booted because of it. "So why are you coming to Canada?" "Oh just for family purposes." "Okay... why are you bringing all this band gear?" "Oh you know." "We don't believe you."
The promoter ends up driving the three hours from Edmonton to Calgary International Airport to plead and beg and PROVE that FSF is coming into the country legitimately to play these gigs, but by that point, it was too late. FSF gets booted back to the States, keeps their deposit, and the 780 society is forced to refund tons of ticket sales and cancel one show (the edmonton show went on without FSF but all ticket money was refunded.)
Combining that with an unfortunately less-successful than needed Harvest Moon Festival X that fall (a great festival with a killer selection of xtian and "somewhat xtian" bands that ended up being too secular for the sacred "where's the preaching?" and too sacred for the secular, despite having Joy Electric, Starflyer 59, mewithoutYou, MxPx and a host more.)
Anyhoo.
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Post by autobodycad on Mar 30, 2007 14:09:13 GMT -5
Wow. If that dirt is accurate - what a classy bunch! Stryper pulled something like that just a couple years ago. They commited to come to some big reunion show in Mexico, but couldn't make it. They insisted on keeping the deposit...
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Post by ryanro on Mar 30, 2007 18:43:51 GMT -5
The stryper thing --- well, that's what a deposit is. As a promoter, you don't get it back. Obviously it's a messy issue and Stryper seemed like chumps, but by the same token, if the promoters of the gig weren't living up to the specifications of Stryper's contract, then Stryper would have been within their rights to say "Whoa whoa. We signed a contract, and you're not living up to it." Anyways. I looked up Stryper's contract online, though, and they seem to think it's still 1987. It's like a huge, insane contract with a lot of excess. Not drunken excess mind you, but I would suggest (based on that and recent interviews with Michael Sweet) that Stryper thinks they are a lot bigger then they actually are these days.
Now that off-topic is done...
I was listening to "Grace" last night and it just struck me and resonated in a way it never has before. Even after they're gone, the music is still touching my heart and spirit. I am greatly looking forward to the "final chapter" project.
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Post by ryanro on Mar 30, 2007 20:20:42 GMT -5
Awesome, I just got my Stavesacre merch pack in the order. Two tees, a hoodie and the live DVD. Wow, the hoodie is killer. I feel almost bad that I waited this long to buy some merch, but happy to have it now.
Watching the interviews on the DVD... Mark's spoken voice does not sound like what I thought it would. Somehow I imagined it to be deeper. Heh.
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Post by vineyardite on Apr 4, 2007 18:53:44 GMT -5
On the topic of bands live, I haven't been to too many concerts, but what I've seen has been nothing compared to Stavesacre live. The music quality was up there with their CDs. I was really impressed.
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Post by contentwithlosing on Apr 12, 2007 3:04:43 GMT -5
/sigh
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Post by theBrokenCarnage on Apr 13, 2007 19:01:01 GMT -5
Quick question: is there a reason that the big announcement isn't on the "news" banner on the main forum, or on the news on the main page?
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Post by cjc on Apr 16, 2007 18:06:30 GMT -5
Quick question: is there a reason that the big announcement isn't on the "news" banner on the main forum, or on the news on the main page? good question. everything seems to be done through myspace these days. with what seems to be everyband. official band websites seem to be after thaughts anymore. Even after they're gone, the music is still touching my heart and spirit. I am greatly looking forward to the "final chapter" project. well said. I agree and am also looking forward to the "last hurrah"
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