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Post by pepsidaddy on Feb 7, 2006 23:00:00 GMT -5
Just saw a good show with my daughter at the ornate Pepsi Coliseum at the Indiana State Fairgrounds. Krystal Meyers(horrible sound mix on the vocals- saw her at a small show and she was much better). Hawk Nelson(my daughter's current new favorite and really good).Zoe girl(daughter's earlier favorite-okay).New Song(surprisingly not as old-timey as i thought they would be).Toby Mac(flat out awesome).The Newsboys(always tough). The joint was packed; they had to remove the video curtain at the back of the stage to let everyone see that crowded in. This just reminded me how fun it was to go to shows when I was young. For $10 well worth the price!
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Post by h on Feb 15, 2006 2:25:01 GMT -5
Wow. That is just about everything that is wrong with "christian" music in one post. you really should read Mark's book, Simplicity.
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Post by pepsidaddy on Feb 15, 2006 22:14:09 GMT -5
h, wow, you're right! I spent an evening with my daughter doing something she enjoys; listening to groups she enjoys; surrounded by other people with similar beliefs as mine; and reinforcing the way I want her to grow up. That would constitute everything wrong with " Christian" music in what way? Insert Disturbed, Fall Out Boy, All-American Rejects, Click 5, The White Stripes or whoever else. A festival to enjoy whatever musical style is wrong? A gathering of like-minded people is wrong( funny, Ozzfest comes to mind)? Sorry, not seeing it. I hate when someone feels betrayed by a belief; but it is usually people who do the betraying, not necessarily the belief; in music ( the business of), Christianity or whatever.
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Post by h on Feb 20, 2006 2:31:39 GMT -5
I've been on all over the "Christian music" scene for years. in the past i've been to the gospel music convention in nashville, hosted my own christian music radio show, played in christian bands, seen and met more than my fair share of ccm artists, supported other christian bands by buying records, going to shows, setting up shows, and housing touring bands. all this has led me to the following belief: There is no such thing as christian music. that may not make sense now, but one day it might. i'm not very good at explaining it, it's something i had to come to on my own, and something i tried to explain too many times on stavesacre's old board to rehash or fight about. i'm not trying to be an asshole and tell you what to do. you mentioned your daughter; you raise your kid however you feel you should. i don't have kids and so i certainly won't tell someone what they should or shouldn't expose theirs to. please don't think that i take you for a jerk or a fool for wanting to spend time with your kid at a family-friendly event.
i guess this whole thing scratches the surface of something that stavesacre, to my knowledge, has never said outright but i know has to have occured to them. I have to get this off my chest...
the fact that so many of stavesacre's fans are into the...shall we say "fluffy", side of nashville's music machine could be detrimental to the potential expansion of their fanbase. fans of acts like the newsboys could scare off any new potential stavesacre fans that aren't coming from a church background. honestly, if i hadn't heard of stavesacre and a guy in a DC Talk shirt told me about them, there's no way i'd check them out. all these people keep leaving stavesacre these christianese/churchtalk comments on their myspace, and i cringe everytime i see them. it's done with good intentions, but i know that some people see that stuff and say "oh they're some christian band thing. creed sucks. back to my (insert whatever band here) record" i just hope, deeply, that neither you or anyone else thinks that stavesacre has anything to do with that industry anymore.
i still do recommend reading Simplicity to get the band's perspective on the industry, and listening to "witch trial" afterwards.
LOVE, h
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Post by pepsidaddy on Feb 20, 2006 20:36:16 GMT -5
h, I said once the best thing about this board is all the different viewpoints, and meant it. No, you were not being an asshole; and if you were name calling, that's your gig. It is just the way it works. I raise my kids the way I do to hopefully prepare them for the future. Raising them in the church is one method. But when my son walks out the door after high school;it will be up to him to take what we have taught and use it as he will, the same with his sister in the future. And believe me, there are many days when we wonder if he took in anything at all. That doesn't matter. It will be his life to live, and her life to live, and bottom line, if they know that we love them unreservedly, and will be here for them whenever; then we have done the job. I hate when people try to stereotype music; and it honestly seems as if the more experience one claims to have, the more narrow-minded one can become. If I was worried about fluffy, I would steer my harder-edged friends away from Gold and Silver. I have a friend I really respect for his musical knowledge; but he has dj'd in a metal format, a pop format, and now a country format. It seems like once he has moved to a new job, he no longer can see the merits of anything but that style. I don't get it. I listen to 80's hair bands, the music of your life(Sinatra,Bing), and K-LOVE. My favorite channel now is the Torch on XM. And yes, I love the fluffy music of Mark Schultz and Third Day. I do not see any reason to limit my choices; and that let's me talk about why I listen to the intelligence of Stavesacre, and yes the Christianity of them. I don't recommend them to friends based on any other reason than they are a good band; the belief behind their earlier albums, if not their current ones, is simply bonus.
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Post by tophus on Mar 7, 2006 2:39:04 GMT -5
While I have no good feelings toward most CCM bands, and that includes bands like Audio Adrenaline, The Newsboys, and yes, even Amy Grant, I have no ill will toward them either. They are legitimate artists doing what they love and even though I don't care for the music, there are many Christians who do and that's fine with me. Anyone who praises God in any way through music is cool in my book, and Stavesacre fits that even if they aren't blatantly Christian.
I do, however, have a problem with the Christian music industry. Like Mark said in Simplicity, it's a farce. In fact, Christian industry in general is a farce and I would encourage anyone who is Christian to look into their hearts and think for a long hard time. Is what the Christian bookstores offer us really what God has to offer? Granted, there are many good pieces of literature that can be found there, and of course the Bible, but that's not all, and that's the problem. Do you truly think that you can define your deep, personal faith with a cliché t-shirt? Furthermore, do you think that Testamints make you more Christian than Altoids? Remember that Jesus cleared out the temple market and called the people who were selling their wares there a "brood of Vipers!" That's a pretty strong statement about commerce within the Faith. What would Christ feel about the current state of things? My vote is not happy at all.
Just some thoughts. I'm not here to tell people what to think, but I do feel strongly about certain things. I think we are called to have a deep and personal relationship with our God, not buy glib merchandise to show off our beliefs to others. If you want to show what you feel, then show people that you love them and maybe try to form some deep and lasting friendships that could potentially have a lasting effect. Plant some seeds, don't just show off the fruit that comes from them.
And that's my rant for the night.
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